How to Select an Interior Door that Matches Existing Architectural Elements
Behind Every Great Man Stands a Woman Rolling Her Eyes
I was naked . . . and stepping into the shower when she started, “What are you talking about?!”. . . but she continued, “I mean – do I really have to have you run every decision by me?” They were rhetorical questions (I think) — but she was irritated. We were “discussing” which door style we would place on the now, almost-completed primary bath. The 8×8 room, until that moment, never had a door associated with it. Or at least that was the case in the time that we have owned this house.
The Door Styles I was Eyeing
(from Simpson Door Company):
Single-panel (raised or flat and in a shaker style):
Or this (a 4-Panel):
The rear portion of our house – the original kitchen (the one which I have absolutely zero “before” pictures of), an adjoining sitting room, and a once-mold-covered bathroom were fitted with 4-panel doors. And I decided to keep these (pictured at bottom). These rooms sit at the absolute opposite other end of the house. (After pics here > Laundry Room Powder Room Office Remodel.)
Searching Salvage for Antique Coffered Doors
However, most of the other doors in the house are cherry-veneered (or birch-veneered at friend Paul points out) and coffered, as I have come to describe them. (My guy Kevin at National Lumber had another name for this style, but I have since misplaced those notes.) Our (master) bedroom door opening, which sits approximately five feet away from the bath in question, has this type of door. Really no reason to touch these (immediately). And anyway — I like ’em (example picture below.)
Now, I know I could have gotten the existing door-style matched/made, but it really wasn’t an option for me on my *ahem* budget. Could have done something a little more “off the wall” like a screen or a curtain. But the wife probably wouldn’t have gone for that and you also always gotta think resale. A trip to the salvage superstore Second Chance also yielded no results. Close, but each I found would have required significant elbow grease. In the end, no, no and no.
(I wrote about Second Chance for Traditional Home magazine (now part of BH&G apparently).
Understand the Home’s Existing Interior Details
Since the single-panel door I would purchase would not match exactly, and considering until this point — the use of the 4-panel door style was limited to the back of the house (where it feels somewhat random), I could work now to integrate it more into the rest of the house and help give it, the house, *more* … balance. Never mind, I could match this style nearly exact.
And the idea even, that I was entertaining such a thought (OK, in fact I *was* leaning towards it) – seemed absurd to my wife. If the single-panel door would not match exactly, it may do all too much to accentuate its own out-of-placedness. As if it, the door, were trying just. too. hard. to fit in. Many smarter than I have had to incorporate such disharmonious details, and often working only to pull it out. As if to say instead, “Yeah I’m different – what’s it to ya?”
But I guess I couldn’t summons that, for this discussion. I mean – I was naked; I only had one cup of coffee in me. And I was at a total loss, when it came time to argue my point. More lucid now, though, as I find myself writing it down. And again there is that balance and the going with a house’s general vibe thing, which I have discussed in a few places on this blogsite.
Selective Salvage
It does occur to me – and I know, I really don’t have the easiest house to deal with, or maybe — as my wife would have it – I’m not the easiest. But I’ll save that rant for an Outtake on Old Houses at the bottom of this post. And this all really comes down to the approach we have taken with this house. “Selective salvage” or “selective saving” – I’ve used those terms around here before — it is the overreaching method we have used in tackling *this* house.
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Thanks for reading, and oh, btw, which door style did you think I ended up ordering? You can leave a comment below if you are so motivated, or if you have knowledge of my existing door style.
With those things said, this really is one of my more favorite topics, the dynamics created by varying personal styles, and how relationships work around/through/near them.
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More Moxie (Let’s Talk Old Houses)
“Difficult” — I say this not so much because nothing is square and/or level (thanks to 120+ years of load) but mainly because the house was built prior to the application (and even before the birth of many) of today’s ways and means. Plaster to drywall (two completely unique systems), balloon vs. platform framing, and these two are just the low-hanging.
Identifying Interior Trim Style
Add to this, the variety of molding (and their profiles) found in and on this house. Things such as thickness and widths of moldings – most framing is exactly a true 2 inches (not the 1 ½ inch actual width we get today).
Bead and other exterior trim has a thickness that varies from between 7/8” and 1”. For a true one by – actual thickness for today’s (and due to the milling process) is ¾”. Corner beads on the exterior of the house, and this is where I ran into problems recently – *errmmmph* one of the other man’s guys – with widths of 3 ¾” in some cases, up to 4 or 4 ½” in others — today’s standards – 3 ½” and 5 ½” from a 1×4 and/or 1×6 respectively.
So, in a lot of cases, it’s not like I am pulling anything off the shelf. And for the record — I only had a partial inkling of how much more work this adds to even a half-hearted “restoration” process.
I should note too that much of the material still found on this house, I believe, was milled right at the location on which our now dilapidated garage sits (and that’s a project I still haven’t figured a plan of attack on). I wrote a little bit about that here > My Life is a Home Project, and I know . . . excuses, excuses.
For more on restoring this Victorian Farmhouse, and what I have learned from working on this old house, see our Category – Old House.
And for reals, thanks! I’m out. ~jb
So funny, when I saw that tweet the other evening I wondered if @MrsPickle_ knew my wife or what. Sounds like several “discussions” from our own renovation archive. I’m strictly guessing you did the 4 panel since the profile on the single panel is different. Incidentally, I’ve worked in several houses here with those same “coffered” single panel doors. Well, if not the same they were super close to a match. Usually, they are birch veneer, though.
you know what — first … you could be very right on the birch, so much so I updated the post, I made that call very early on and never thought twice on it. I might be getting confused on coloring from that heavy “stain” application (another story in itself) — but that’s silly I guess because I could expect to see birch “redden” a little too. Similar grain patterns… and you are actually probably right. Second –ha! brotha! thanks for the note… and for the record — I have a standing order in for a single-paneled door (who wears the pants?) but I still might go in a few different directions with this. Enjoy your trip, be safe and stoked for your g’post next week.
Ha! A tiny victory, my friend. Also, usually the stain on the old millwork I see is an orange or amber shellac with varnish clear coat. My painter restored some doors similar to yours with that process. Happy Friday and great weekend JB!
it’s tough to see in this picture, but there are tiny dark globules (such a fun word) throughout the finish coat. I really haven’t seen much like it (though I admit I am not well traveled), and I really haven’t thought too much on it — because I am not going there yet. I suspect shellac, with something else introduced either a varnish or a thinner maybe. it’s great to have a painter that can tackle these kinda things and there are a few people around here that are very knowledgeable on staining techniques — if it comes to pass. thanks again my friend. you’r da man! jb
I’n going to say that Jen got her wish, whatever that was, because I know you like to make her happy.
you know what they say … smart is as smart does. hope you are having a great day A!
Nice opening line. Right up there with “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.”
whoa… that is quite a compliment… I will say it was real fun typing it dot dot dot. great weekend Bridge!
jb,
Checking in with the BMoxie thread this weekend after a hectic few months.
Thoroughly enjoyed this piece, especially the conversation characterization many of us committed people often see. The notion of the serious debate while nekkid’ cracked me up…it would surely place you on defense instead of offense…while trying to avoid offensiveness…or something like that:-)
I’ve had similar experiences but my dear spouse has an uncanny gift of raising stressful topics just as I’m drifting off to sleep at night. Doh!
Keep them coming!
MJH-out
hahaha! well said — “…while trying to avoid offensiveness…or something like that:-)” I mean the backstory here is — she’s usually going and up about an hour before I am — ummm “unfair advantage”? Here’s to our better halves and thanks for checking in Mike, keep arockin’. jb
I love the title -I am often quoted as saying -my eyes were rolling so far back in my head that they came out my ears. Do you need ear plugs?
I wouldn’t need the ear plugs, but rather my mrs. ;~) and I have to credit fully @MrsPickle for the title — a quote which she has now become famous for — http://t.co/vTjSsb1
Great day C.y.r.a. < still practicing. ha! and thanks. ~jb
Whew, that was tough. I peeked at your photo album: all I saw were 4 panel doors and the multi-light panel door from the DR. And I noticed many of your doors are painted.
#1 Unless one door is right next to another nobody is going to have a cow because the don’t match. Nobody will walk around your house snickering about the number of door styles you have. If it is inside your master – doesn’t matter and use one with glass so the 8 x 8 feels bigger.
#2 Unless the door is so important you absolutely must highlight it’s existence and all your trim is stained, paint the door and wood type is irrelevant.
#3 Had you suggested screen or curtain to your wife, well she would have been justified letting you use another bathroom for the foreseeable future. Bathrooms need doors and many communities have codes which require them.
We all get in trouble when we view projects thru a microscope, you weren’t out of line.
thanks for your thoughtful comments L. First I really wasn’t thinking code but you are right. Second — we are on a 2-3 year plan with this house… if we were thinking a little bit longer term, we probably would have reconfigured . . . but that too presents challenges because there are 2 bdrms that could be considered the master. As it stands, this doorway opens into the hallway and all doors upstairs are of the “coffered” style. And . . . it’s not really like I really cared so much — it was more the reaction I got when I suggested something other than what she thought was just so slam dunk. In general, when it comes to house stuff — we never agree. This probably comes from her background in re and mine in “carpentry” . . . oh then there is her whole County Living style and my … well I’m a guy . . . style (I like clean and straight). and anyway :~) thanks again. ~jb
and to be fair to Jen — I probably should say . . . our two styles probably create a decent balance and at this point we (almost) have learned to work with each other.
I get that too, only it is worse for my husband – I think it through 20 different ways then give him what my plan is. Then he starts with the questions, like I haven’t worked this through already. Like you & Jen, we both have our ideas and I often do the same as your wife.
Safest question is: “how do you see this?” Then you know how to proceed.
But since the door is next to the others, I’ll go with your wife: what were you thinking of course they have to match? :)
ok . . . I’ll admit it… I was being somewhat *cough* anal (makes for a good story you know) . . . as I have been known to be. We are going with the single panel and painted. (other bathroom has the only other door upstairs that is painted — which makes it good with me). :~) Thanks the Decor Girl, KDP (Keeper of Domestic Peace)
Can I use that for an official title? I do have my clients (husband & wife) make a list of projects or items to rate separately, combine & tally. This saves a TON of arguments. I do it too.
I do love that approach. I usually suggest the 2 picks method. when selecting something tile, lighting, whatever . . . each researches independently (no talking) and comes up with 2 picks. Meet, present and decide — move on. and btw I AM the KDP accreditation council . . . so feel free to add them behind your name. ;~)